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From: Nick Rout <nick_at_taxlawyer.co.nz>
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:51:49 +1300
Message-ID: <001901c02e5e$1124c5c0$0201a8c0@taxlawyer.co.nz>

/usr/sbin/traceroute www.microsoft.com
traceroute: Warning: www.microsoft.com has multiple addresses; using
207.46.230.218
traceroute to microsoft.com (207.46.230.218), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 m10 (192.168.1.254) 2.648 ms 2.151 ms 2.273 ms
2 203-79-82-254.adsl-wns.paradise.net.nz (203.79.82.254) 110.221 ms
910.378 ms 61.098 ms
3 192.168.253.225 (192.168.253.225) 36.709 ms 37.270 ms 37.206 ms
4 kelly.ipnet2.paradise.net.nz (203.96.155.158) 41.495 ms 39.178 ms
38.779 ms
5 cassandra.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.3) 39.770 ms 45.708 ms 39.394
ms
6 a4-0-0-5.akbr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.77) 50.382 ms 49.604 ms
49.398 ms
7 s0-0-4.labr2.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.245) 173.636 ms 177.041 ms
176.067 ms
8 Serial1-1-0.GW1.LAX4.ALTER.NET (157.130.224.89) 176.024 ms 182.175 ms
187
(snip)

seems to go thru paradise all the way to netgate and then off to the U.S.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Glasgow" <davidgl@futurepower.co.nz>
To: "Juha Saarinen" <juha@saarinen.org>; <adsl@unixathome.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: clear/telecom deal

I was under the understanding after talking to Paradise that they do not
provide you will any internet bandwidth, this is provided by Telecom. The
ISP that you choose only provides you with services such as email addresses,
dns servers etc. Then your ISP will also provide you with additional
services such as smtp queuing etc.

This is only what I have been lead to believe, it may be totally wrong!

dAVID

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-adsl@unixathome.org [mailto:owner-adsl@unixathome.org]On
Behalf Of Juha Saarinen
Sent: Thursday, 5 October 2000 11:38 a.m.
To: Laurence Chiu; adsl@unixathome.org
Subject: RE: clear/telecom deal

%-> I hear it might get better and when SX comes on line, better still?

Here's hoping...

%-> I can't understand why they charge so much for local traffic.
%-> Paradise is my
%-> ISP yet I get charged 20c/MB to download from them when I go
%-> over the limit.
%-> What's the sense in that? That does really argue for the
%-> unbundling of the
%-> local loop if the new ISP or Telco can demonstrate their capability in
%-> installation, servicing and supplying the new customers

Paradise doesn't charge you 20 cents/MB, Telecom does. The details of the
agreements between ISPs and Telecom aren't public, but I'm guessing that the
former get a slice of the monthly charge levied by the latter, ditto of the
excess volume charges. Otherwise I don't see how ADSL would make any
financial sense to the ISPs -- I mean, Paradise couldn't pay for all my
international traffic etc. with the $20 a month they charge me.

Since Telecom's providing the DSL to the exchange, the equipment in the
exchange, plus the ATM network to the ISPs, it's understandable that they'll
want to recover that investment.

I wonder if Clear et al would be prepared to invest in a nation-wide network
like Telecom's, to provide residential customers with broadband access?
Judging by the lack of activity by other providers, I guess not.

-- Juha

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