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From: Tyler Rosolowski <tyler.rosolowski_at_gorilla.co.nz>
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:11:41 +1300
Message-ID: <D2C5A801D5902C418ED7ADE5DD5E3BE7228D@blackbox.gorilla.co.nz>

I mean this in the nicest possibly way.

If Telecom don't know why their billing and traffic systems are doing
what they are doing, how are we ever meant to understand what is going
on, or what we are meant to be doing or not doing?

It would be interesting if you could find out why it was capped.

Regards,
Tyler

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Kampjes [mailto:Wayne.Kampjes@telecom.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:06 PM
To: Tyler Rosolowski
Subject: RE: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!

It is often hard to account for all things in life - may be this is one
of them. It is possible that the ISP pushed back the limit attribute!

In short though your port (line) determines the plan not the login.

Cheers
Wayne

>>> "Tyler Rosolowski" <tyler.rosolowski@gorilla.co.nz> 1/03/01
14:53:08 >>>

If the data throttling is done per port (phone number) as pulled from
this magic database, why did this gentleman find his connection capped
when he used his JetStart login if it makes no difference what login
you
use?

Enquiring minds want to know

Regards,
Tyler

-----Original Message-----
From: derelict@xtra.co.nz [mailto:derelict@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:16 PM
To: adsl@unixathome.org
Subject: Re: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!

Guys

Jetstream/Jetstart are not charged via login. Infact, the logins are
treated identically by ISPs. When you order jetstart, your phone
number
is added to a database that is updated daily at about 4am. When you
login to any realm apart from the free realm (jetstreamgames.co.nz)
then
your port number (ala phone number) is checked against the list on
that
database. If it's there, then your connection is throttled
accordingly.
This makes no difference if you use a jetstream login, jetstart login,
xtra or webinternet login. They are all the same. If you notice your
connection going uncapped, it's because the ISP has screwed up.

By using more than one login and trying to dodge charges under
Jetstream, you'll just find yourself with a fat bill at the end of the
month. Like I said above, data and billing plans are sorted by port
number (ph number) and not ISP account.

Questions?
Rich

>
> From: Phil Cotching <philc@wave.co.nz>
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:03:59 +1300
> To: adsl@unixathome.org
> Subject: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
>
> > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is unfair, and
what if
> > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with a jetstream
password..
> > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
>
> I think they must do. Try it, you'll see your traffic go up on the
meter,
> but hey, your account type is still Jetstart. The million dollar
question
> is: whos carrying the traffic? If I try it it looks like Telecom are
> carrying it (for free?). What a cockalorum.
>
> PC.
>
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:36:12PM +1300, Iain wrote:
> > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is unfair, and
what if
> > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with a jetstream
password..
> > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
> >
> > This is just another situtation of the forever unending thing
called
the
> > Local Loop.
> >
> > There are alot of very annoyed people out there right now, and to
be
honest
> > Telstra are going to make a killing in this country. Not because
they offer
> > a better service, faster service blah blah blah... but because
people will
> > change for the hell of it. ie Linux.
> >
> > oh well.. sigh
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 11:56:56AM +1300, G wrote:
> > > > >I've always thought it was fairly clear.
> > > > >What you pay telecom is based on what your phone number is.
> > > > >What you pay your ISP is based on what your login is.
> > > > >If you are on jetstream you pay telecom for volume. on
jetstart
> > > > >you don't, some ISPs are charging for volume under various
conditions.
> > > > >In some cases it is if you go over 10 Gb in a month, in
others
it is if
> > > > >you log in to them more than once. As far as I can tell
Telecom
does
> > > > >not care who your ISP is or what you login as.
> > > >
> > > > This case is slightly different. It means that if you are a
JetStream
> > 400
> > > > user and I come over to your house and log in with my JetStart
userid
> > YOU
> > > > will get billed JetStream 400 usage, even though we're using
my
flat
> > rate
> > > > JetStart account.
> > > And to attempt to further clarify the point, we would be using
your login
> > > to your ISP for the ISP charges, and my Jetstream Line. I am
> > > more than clear about that. Presuming the ISP authenticated us.
The
> > > interesting part is if the ISP is billing for its bandwidth will
you
> > > be charged as well.
> > >
> > > If the ISP is being chargted for the bandwidth on jetstart I
hope
that
> > > they get enough data to distinguish customer line types.
> > >
> > > --kit
> > > >
> > > > /Greg
> > > >
> > >
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