Damnit.. This is a local loop issue.
I'm sure they can work around it... and make it all nice and transparent and
confusing to customers... but seriously this type of shit wouldn't happened
if they didn't control that loop
> OK then. Heres a hypothetical for ya:
>
> 1. Customer orders JetSTART connection from Telecom: $30/ month
> 2. Customer buys JetSTREAM account from ISP Xyz: $20/ month
>
> Customer logs into the Internet using fred@adsl.xyz.co.nz. Customer
> now gets flat rate 128Kbps, Telecom carries his traffic.
>
> Sure, the customer doesnt save much money, but I wouldnt feel too
> good about it if I we're Telecom.
>
> PC.
>
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 02:06:18AM +0000, derelict@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> > You can't, not by Telecom. Like I said, logins have nothing to do with
the billing plan. A login just points the direction to send the traffic to
authenticate (ISP) and then receive data. Thus the @xtra.co.nz and
@jetstreamgames.co.nz
> >
> > Cheers
> > Rich
> >
> > >
> > > From: Phil Cotching <philc@wave.co.nz>
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:42:07 +1300
> > > To: adsl@unixathome.org
> > > Subject: Re: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> > >
> > > Doesnt explain why Telecom happily carries the traffic if your
"Telecom
> > > Usage Plan" is Jetstart, but you log in with a Jetstream login. It
looks
> > > like you cant get charged any extra for it.
> > >
> > > PC.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:16:26AM +0000, derelict@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> > > > Guys
> > > >
> > > > Jetstream/Jetstart are not charged via login. Infact, the logins are
treated identically by ISPs. When you order jetstart, your phone number is
added to a database that is updated daily at about 4am. When you login to
any realm apart from the free realm (jetstreamgames.co.nz) then your port
number (ala phone number) is checked against the list on that database. If
it's there, then your connection is throttled accordingly. This makes no
difference if you use a jetstream login, jetstart login, xtra or webinternet
login. They are all the same. If you notice your connection going uncapped,
it's because the ISP has screwed up.
> > > >
> > > > By using more than one login and trying to dodge charges under
Jetstream, you'll just find yourself with a fat bill at the end of the
month. Like I said above, data and billing plans are sorted by port number
(ph number) and not ISP account.
> > > >
> > > > Questions?
> > > > Rich
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Phil Cotching <philc@wave.co.nz>
> > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:03:59 +1300
> > > > > To: adsl@unixathome.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> > > > >
> > > > > > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is unfair,
and what if
> > > > > > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with a
jetstream password..
> > > > > > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
> > > > >
> > > > > I think they must do. Try it, you'll see your traffic go up on the
meter,
> > > > > but hey, your account type is still Jetstart. The million dollar
question
> > > > > is: whos carrying the traffic? If I try it it looks like Telecom
are
> > > > > carrying it (for free?). What a cockalorum.
> > > > >
> > > > > PC.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:36:12PM +1300, Iain wrote:
> > > > > > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is unfair,
and what if
> > > > > > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with a
jetstream password..
> > > > > > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is just another situtation of the forever unending thing
called the
> > > > > > Local Loop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are alot of very annoyed people out there right now, and
to be honest
> > > > > > Telstra are going to make a killing in this country. Not because
they offer
> > > > > > a better service, faster service blah blah blah... but because
people will
> > > > > > change for the hell of it. ie Linux.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > oh well.. sigh
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 11:56:56AM +1300, G wrote:
> > > > > > > > >I've always thought it was fairly clear.
> > > > > > > > >What you pay telecom is based on what your phone number is.
> > > > > > > > >What you pay your ISP is based on what your login is.
> > > > > > > > >If you are on jetstream you pay telecom for volume. on
jetstart
> > > > > > > > >you don't, some ISPs are charging for volume under various
conditions.
> > > > > > > > >In some cases it is if you go over 10 Gb in a month, in
others it is if
> > > > > > > > >you log in to them more than once. As far as I can tell
Telecom does
> > > > > > > > >not care who your ISP is or what you login as.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This case is slightly different. It means that if you are a
JetStream
> > > > > > 400
> > > > > > > > user and I come over to your house and log in with my
JetStart userid
> > > > > > YOU
> > > > > > > > will get billed JetStream 400 usage, even though we're using
my flat
> > > > > > rate
> > > > > > > > JetStart account.
> > > > > > > And to attempt to further clarify the point, we would be
using your login
> > > > > > > to your ISP for the ISP charges, and my Jetstream Line. I am
> > > > > > > more than clear about that. Presuming the ISP authenticated
us. The
> > > > > > > interesting part is if the ISP is billing for its bandwidth
will you
> > > > > > > be charged as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the ISP is being chargted for the bandwidth on jetstart I
hope that
> > > > > > > they get enough data to distinguish customer line types.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --kit
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > /Greg
> > > > > > > >
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