Rich,

Im sorry ,you are wrong my friend.. Please go ahead and try it, then come
back to the forum and try to explain how it works...

I can do it again right now and send you all the screen shots, messurments
etc...

Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: <derelict@xtra.co.nz>
To: <adsl@unixathome.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!

> I can only tell you how it is: Logins have nothing to do with it.
> I could create a jetstart login right now and go use it on a Jetstream
circuit here, and it wont be rate limited. Similarly I could create a
jetstream login and use it at home on Jetstart and it would still be rate
limited.
>
> Cheers
> Rich
>
> >
> > From: "Tyler Rosolowski" <tyler.rosolowski@gorilla.co.nz>
> > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:53:08 +1300
> > To: <derelict@xtra.co.nz>,
> > <adsl@unixathome.org>
> > Subject: RE: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> >
> >
> > If the data throttling is done per port (phone number) as pulled from
> > this magic database, why did this gentleman find his connection capped
> > when he used his JetStart login if it makes no difference what login you
> > use?
> >
> > Enquiring minds want to know
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tyler
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: derelict@xtra.co.nz [mailto:derelict@xtra.co.nz]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:16 PM
> > To: adsl@unixathome.org
> > Subject: Re: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> >
> >
> > Guys
> >
> > Jetstream/Jetstart are not charged via login. Infact, the logins are
> > treated identically by ISPs. When you order jetstart, your phone number
> > is added to a database that is updated daily at about 4am. When you
> > login to any realm apart from the free realm (jetstreamgames.co.nz) then
> > your port number (ala phone number) is checked against the list on that
> > database. If it's there, then your connection is throttled accordingly.
> > This makes no difference if you use a jetstream login, jetstart login,
> > xtra or webinternet login. They are all the same. If you notice your
> > connection going uncapped, it's because the ISP has screwed up.
> >
> > By using more than one login and trying to dodge charges under
> > Jetstream, you'll just find yourself with a fat bill at the end of the
> > month. Like I said above, data and billing plans are sorted by port
> > number (ph number) and not ISP account.
> >
> > Questions?
> > Rich
> >
> > >
> > > From: Phil Cotching <philc@wave.co.nz>
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:03:59 +1300
> > > To: adsl@unixathome.org
> > > Subject: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> > >
> > > > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is unfair, and
> > what if
> > > > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with a jetstream
> > password..
> > > > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
> > >
> > > I think they must do. Try it, you'll see your traffic go up on the
> > meter,
> > > but hey, your account type is still Jetstart. The million dollar
> > question
> > > is: whos carrying the traffic? If I try it it looks like Telecom are
> > > carrying it (for free?). What a cockalorum.
> > >
> > > PC.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:36:12PM +1300, Iain wrote:
> > > > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is unfair, and
> > what if
> > > > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with a jetstream
> > password..
> > > > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
> > > >
> > > > This is just another situtation of the forever unending thing called
> > the
> > > > Local Loop.
> > > >
> > > > There are alot of very annoyed people out there right now, and to be
> > honest
> > > > Telstra are going to make a killing in this country. Not because
> > they offer
> > > > a better service, faster service blah blah blah... but because
> > people will
> > > > change for the hell of it. ie Linux.
> > > >
> > > > oh well.. sigh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 11:56:56AM +1300, G wrote:
> > > > > > >I've always thought it was fairly clear.
> > > > > > >What you pay telecom is based on what your phone number is.
> > > > > > >What you pay your ISP is based on what your login is.
> > > > > > >If you are on jetstream you pay telecom for volume. on jetstart
> > > > > > >you don't, some ISPs are charging for volume under various
> > conditions.
> > > > > > >In some cases it is if you go over 10 Gb in a month, in others
> > it is if
> > > > > > >you log in to them more than once. As far as I can tell Telecom
> > does
> > > > > > >not care who your ISP is or what you login as.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This case is slightly different. It means that if you are a
> > JetStream
> > > > 400
> > > > > > user and I come over to your house and log in with my JetStart
> > userid
> > > > YOU
> > > > > > will get billed JetStream 400 usage, even though we're using my
> > flat
> > > > rate
> > > > > > JetStart account.
> > > > > And to attempt to further clarify the point, we would be using
> > your login
> > > > > to your ISP for the ISP charges, and my Jetstream Line. I am
> > > > > more than clear about that. Presuming the ISP authenticated us.
> > The
> > > > > interesting part is if the ISP is billing for its bandwidth will
> > you
> > > > > be charged as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the ISP is being chargted for the bandwidth on jetstart I hope
> > that
> > > > > they get enough data to distinguish customer line types.
> > > > >
> > > > > --kit
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /Greg
> > > > > >
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