I work for an ISP too...
doesnt mean i know 'jack shit' bout modems.
%> -----Original Message-----
%> From: owner-adsl@unixathome.org [mailto:owner-adsl@unixathome.org]On
%> Behalf Of derelict@xtra.co.nz
%> Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2001 17:03
%> To: adsl@unixathome.org
%> Subject: Re: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
%>
%>
%> Then like Wayne said, it is probably some sort of fault. Just
%> because you can supposedly do it does not make me wrong. I work
%> for Telecom and *KNOW* that that is how it works. The Jetstart
%> database is housed 2 floors above where I sit all day. I have seen it.
%>
%> Cheers
%> Rich
%>
%> >
%> > From: "Rob at the Investigator" <Rob@the-Investigator.com>
%> > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:42:35 +1300
%> > To: <derelict@xtra.co.nz>, <adsl@unixathome.org>
%> > Subject: Re: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
%> >
%> > Rich,
%> >
%> > Im sorry ,you are wrong my friend.. Please go ahead and try
%> it, then come
%> > back to the forum and try to explain how it works...
%> >
%> > I can do it again right now and send you all the screen shots,
%> messurments
%> > etc...
%> >
%> > Rob
%> >
%> >
%> > ----- Original Message -----
%> > From: <derelict@xtra.co.nz>
%> > To: <adsl@unixathome.org>
%> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:59 PM
%> > Subject: RE: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
%> >
%> >
%> > > I can only tell you how it is: Logins have nothing to do with it.
%> > > I could create a jetstart login right now and go use it on a
%> Jetstream
%> > circuit here, and it wont be rate limited. Similarly I could create a
%> > jetstream login and use it at home on Jetstart and it would
%> still be rate
%> > limited.
%> > >
%> > > Cheers
%> > > Rich
%> > >
%> > > >
%> > > > From: "Tyler Rosolowski" <tyler.rosolowski@gorilla.co.nz>
%> > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:53:08 +1300
%> > > > To: <derelict@xtra.co.nz>,
%> > > > <adsl@unixathome.org>
%> > > > Subject: RE: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
%> > > >
%> > > >
%> > > > If the data throttling is done per port (phone number) as
%> pulled from
%> > > > this magic database, why did this gentleman find his
%> connection capped
%> > > > when he used his JetStart login if it makes no difference
%> what login you
%> > > > use?
%> > > >
%> > > > Enquiring minds want to know
%> > > >
%> > > > Regards,
%> > > > Tyler
%> > > >
%> > > >
%> > > > -----Original Message-----
%> > > > From: derelict@xtra.co.nz [mailto:derelict@xtra.co.nz]
%> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:16 PM
%> > > > To: adsl@unixathome.org
%> > > > Subject: Re: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
%> > > >
%> > > >
%> > > > Guys
%> > > >
%> > > > Jetstream/Jetstart are not charged via login. Infact, the
%> logins are
%> > > > treated identically by ISPs. When you order jetstart, your
%> phone number
%> > > > is added to a database that is updated daily at about 4am. When you
%> > > > login to any realm apart from the free realm
%> (jetstreamgames.co.nz) then
%> > > > your port number (ala phone number) is checked against the
%> list on that
%> > > > database. If it's there, then your connection is throttled
%> accordingly.
%> > > > This makes no difference if you use a jetstream login,
%> jetstart login,
%> > > > xtra or webinternet login. They are all the same. If you
%> notice your
%> > > > connection going uncapped, it's because the ISP has screwed up.
%> > > >
%> > > > By using more than one login and trying to dodge charges under
%> > > > Jetstream, you'll just find yourself with a fat bill at
%> the end of the
%> > > > month. Like I said above, data and billing plans are sorted by port
%> > > > number (ph number) and not ISP account.
%> > > >
%> > > > Questions?
%> > > > Rich
%> > > >
%> > > > >
%> > > > > From: Phil Cotching <philc@wave.co.nz>
%> > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:03:59 +1300
%> > > > > To: adsl@unixathome.org
%> > > > > Subject: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
%> > > > >
%> > > > > > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is
%> unfair, and
%> > > > what if
%> > > > > > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with
%> a jetstream
%> > > > password..
%> > > > > > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
%> > > > >
%> > > > > I think they must do. Try it, you'll see your traffic go
%> up on the
%> > > > meter,
%> > > > > but hey, your account type is still Jetstart. The million dollar
%> > > > question
%> > > > > is: whos carrying the traffic? If I try it it looks like
%> Telecom are
%> > > > > carrying it (for free?). What a cockalorum.
%> > > > >
%> > > > > PC.
%> > > > >
%> > > > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:36:12PM +1300, Iain wrote:
%> > > > > > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is
%> unfair, and
%> > > > what if
%> > > > > > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with
%> a jetstream
%> > > > password..
%> > > > > > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
%> > > > > >
%> > > > > > This is just another situtation of the forever
%> unending thing called
%> > > > the
%> > > > > > Local Loop.
%> > > > > >
%> > > > > > There are alot of very annoyed people out there right
%> now, and to be
%> > > > honest
%> > > > > > Telstra are going to make a killing in this country.
%> Not because
%> > > > they offer
%> > > > > > a better service, faster service blah blah blah... but because
%> > > > people will
%> > > > > > change for the hell of it. ie Linux.
%> > > > > >
%> > > > > > oh well.. sigh
%> > > > > >
%> > > > > >
%> > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 11:56:56AM +1300, G wrote:
%> > > > > > > > >I've always thought it was fairly clear.
%> > > > > > > > >What you pay telecom is based on what your phone
%> number is.
%> > > > > > > > >What you pay your ISP is based on what your login is.
%> > > > > > > > >If you are on jetstream you pay telecom for
%> volume. on jetstart
%> > > > > > > > >you don't, some ISPs are charging for volume under various
%> > > > conditions.
%> > > > > > > > >In some cases it is if you go over 10 Gb in a
%> month, in others
%> > > > it is if
%> > > > > > > > >you log in to them more than once. As far as I
%> can tell Telecom
%> > > > does
%> > > > > > > > >not care who your ISP is or what you login as.
%> > > > > > > >
%> > > > > > > > This case is slightly different. It means that if you are a
%> > > > JetStream
%> > > > > > 400
%> > > > > > > > user and I come over to your house and log in with
%> my JetStart
%> > > > userid
%> > > > > > YOU
%> > > > > > > > will get billed JetStream 400 usage, even though
%> we're using my
%> > > > flat
%> > > > > > rate
%> > > > > > > > JetStart account.
%> > > > > > > And to attempt to further clarify the point, we
%> would be using
%> > > > your login
%> > > > > > > to your ISP for the ISP charges, and my Jetstream Line. I am
%> > > > > > > more than clear about that. Presuming the ISP
%> authenticated us.
%> > > > The
%> > > > > > > interesting part is if the ISP is billing for its
%> bandwidth will
%> > > > you
%> > > > > > > be charged as well.
%> > > > > > >
%> > > > > > > If the ISP is being chargted for the bandwidth on
%> jetstart I hope
%> > > > that
%> > > > > > > they get enough data to distinguish customer line types.
%> > > > > > >
%> > > > > > > --kit
%> > > > > > > >
%> > > > > > > > /Greg
%> > > > > > > >
%> > > > > > >
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