Yeah but you know that they use a phone line dont you? It's the same premis.
>
> From: "Jeremy Brooking" <jeremy@connections.net.nz>
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:37:02 +1300
> To: <derelict@xtra.co.nz>, <adsl@unixathome.org>
> Subject: RE: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
>
> I work for an ISP too...
>
> doesnt mean i know 'jack shit' bout modems.
>
> %> -----Original Message-----
> %> From: owner-adsl@unixathome.org [mailto:owner-adsl@unixathome.org]On
> %> Behalf Of derelict@xtra.co.nz
> %> Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2001 17:03
> %> To: adsl@unixathome.org
> %> Subject: Re: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> %>
> %>
> %> Then like Wayne said, it is probably some sort of fault. Just
> %> because you can supposedly do it does not make me wrong. I work
> %> for Telecom and *KNOW* that that is how it works. The Jetstart
> %> database is housed 2 floors above where I sit all day. I have seen it.
> %>
> %> Cheers
> %> Rich
> %>
> %> >
> %> > From: "Rob at the Investigator" <Rob@the-Investigator.com>
> %> > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:42:35 +1300
> %> > To: <derelict@xtra.co.nz>, <adsl@unixathome.org>
> %> > Subject: Re: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> %> >
> %> > Rich,
> %> >
> %> > Im sorry ,you are wrong my friend.. Please go ahead and try
> %> it, then come
> %> > back to the forum and try to explain how it works...
> %> >
> %> > I can do it again right now and send you all the screen shots,
> %> messurments
> %> > etc...
> %> >
> %> > Rob
> %> >
> %> >
> %> > ----- Original Message -----
> %> > From: <derelict@xtra.co.nz>
> %> > To: <adsl@unixathome.org>
> %> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:59 PM
> %> > Subject: RE: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> %> >
> %> >
> %> > > I can only tell you how it is: Logins have nothing to do with it.
> %> > > I could create a jetstart login right now and go use it on a
> %> Jetstream
> %> > circuit here, and it wont be rate limited. Similarly I could create a
> %> > jetstream login and use it at home on Jetstart and it would
> %> still be rate
> %> > limited.
> %> > >
> %> > > Cheers
> %> > > Rich
> %> > >
> %> > > >
> %> > > > From: "Tyler Rosolowski" <tyler.rosolowski@gorilla.co.nz>
> %> > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:53:08 +1300
> %> > > > To: <derelict@xtra.co.nz>,
> %> > > > <adsl@unixathome.org>
> %> > > > Subject: RE: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> %> > > >
> %> > > >
> %> > > > If the data throttling is done per port (phone number) as
> %> pulled from
> %> > > > this magic database, why did this gentleman find his
> %> connection capped
> %> > > > when he used his JetStart login if it makes no difference
> %> what login you
> %> > > > use?
> %> > > >
> %> > > > Enquiring minds want to know
> %> > > >
> %> > > > Regards,
> %> > > > Tyler
> %> > > >
> %> > > >
> %> > > > -----Original Message-----
> %> > > > From: derelict@xtra.co.nz [mailto:derelict@xtra.co.nz]
> %> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:16 PM
> %> > > > To: adsl@unixathome.org
> %> > > > Subject: Re: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> %> > > >
> %> > > >
> %> > > > Guys
> %> > > >
> %> > > > Jetstream/Jetstart are not charged via login. Infact, the
> %> logins are
> %> > > > treated identically by ISPs. When you order jetstart, your
> %> phone number
> %> > > > is added to a database that is updated daily at about 4am. When you
> %> > > > login to any realm apart from the free realm
> %> (jetstreamgames.co.nz) then
> %> > > > your port number (ala phone number) is checked against the
> %> list on that
> %> > > > database. If it's there, then your connection is throttled
> %> accordingly.
> %> > > > This makes no difference if you use a jetstream login,
> %> jetstart login,
> %> > > > xtra or webinternet login. They are all the same. If you
> %> notice your
> %> > > > connection going uncapped, it's because the ISP has screwed up.
> %> > > >
> %> > > > By using more than one login and trying to dodge charges under
> %> > > > Jetstream, you'll just find yourself with a fat bill at
> %> the end of the
> %> > > > month. Like I said above, data and billing plans are sorted by port
> %> > > > number (ph number) and not ISP account.
> %> > > >
> %> > > > Questions?
> %> > > > Rich
> %> > > >
> %> > > > >
> %> > > > > From: Phil Cotching <philc@wave.co.nz>
> %> > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:03:59 +1300
> %> > > > > To: adsl@unixathome.org
> %> > > > > Subject: Re: HUGE WARNING ON JETSTREAM BILLING!
> %> > > > >
> %> > > > > > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is
> %> unfair, and
> %> > > > what if
> %> > > > > > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with
> %> a jetstream
> %> > > > password..
> %> > > > > > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
> %> > > > >
> %> > > > > I think they must do. Try it, you'll see your traffic go
> %> up on the
> %> > > > meter,
> %> > > > > but hey, your account type is still Jetstart. The million dollar
> %> > > > question
> %> > > > > is: whos carrying the traffic? If I try it it looks like
> %> Telecom are
> %> > > > > carrying it (for free?). What a cockalorum.
> %> > > > >
> %> > > > > PC.
> %> > > > >
> %> > > > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:36:12PM +1300, Iain wrote:
> %> > > > > > I sympathise with the guy who first posted this. It is
> %> unfair, and
> %> > > > what if
> %> > > > > > you logged on to a jetstart users line and modem with
> %> a jetstream
> %> > > > password..
> %> > > > > > I bet they don't let the traffic go free...
> %> > > > > >
> %> > > > > > This is just another situtation of the forever
> %> unending thing called
> %> > > > the
> %> > > > > > Local Loop.
> %> > > > > >
> %> > > > > > There are alot of very annoyed people out there right
> %> now, and to be
> %> > > > honest
> %> > > > > > Telstra are going to make a killing in this country.
> %> Not because
> %> > > > they offer
> %> > > > > > a better service, faster service blah blah blah... but because
> %> > > > people will
> %> > > > > > change for the hell of it. ie Linux.
> %> > > > > >
> %> > > > > > oh well.. sigh
> %> > > > > >
> %> > > > > >
> %> > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 11:56:56AM +1300, G wrote:
> %> > > > > > > > >I've always thought it was fairly clear.
> %> > > > > > > > >What you pay telecom is based on what your phone
> %> number is.
> %> > > > > > > > >What you pay your ISP is based on what your login is.
> %> > > > > > > > >If you are on jetstream you pay telecom for
> %> volume. on jetstart
> %> > > > > > > > >you don't, some ISPs are charging for volume under various
> %> > > > conditions.
> %> > > > > > > > >In some cases it is if you go over 10 Gb in a
> %> month, in others
> %> > > > it is if
> %> > > > > > > > >you log in to them more than once. As far as I
> %> can tell Telecom
> %> > > > does
> %> > > > > > > > >not care who your ISP is or what you login as.
> %> > > > > > > >
> %> > > > > > > > This case is slightly different. It means that if you are a
> %> > > > JetStream
> %> > > > > > 400
> %> > > > > > > > user and I come over to your house and log in with
> %> my JetStart
> %> > > > userid
> %> > > > > > YOU
> %> > > > > > > > will get billed JetStream 400 usage, even though
> %> we're using my
> %> > > > flat
> %> > > > > > rate
> %> > > > > > > > JetStart account.
> %> > > > > > > And to attempt to further clarify the point, we
> %> would be using
> %> > > > your login
> %> > > > > > > to your ISP for the ISP charges, and my Jetstream Line. I am
> %> > > > > > > more than clear about that. Presuming the ISP
> %> authenticated us.
> %> > > > The
> %> > > > > > > interesting part is if the ISP is billing for its
> %> bandwidth will
> %> > > > you
> %> > > > > > > be charged as well.
> %> > > > > > >
> %> > > > > > > If the ISP is being chargted for the bandwidth on
> %> jetstart I hope
> %> > > > that
> %> > > > > > > they get enough data to distinguish customer line types.
> %> > > > > > >
> %> > > > > > > --kit
> %> > > > > > > >
> %> > > > > > > > /Greg
> %> > > > > > > >
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