Well said..
Not alot of people understand what you've explained - and just make it their
mission to complain.

However - I disaggree. International bandwidth _is_ very expensive
(comparitivly) - and is close to almost justified in charging somthing like
$.2/meg (I say almost because $.2/meg is still excessive) - with the very
expensive cable they have recently laid on the floor of the ocean.

However - national bandwidth is dirt cheap. On a couple of occasions - when
the jetstart limiteding mechanism broke (ie - every jetstart customer had
full speed) - all my friends from auckland to christchurch with jetstart
were all pulling 180K+ from international sites. Just from this you can see
the potential in the whole system - must'a cost telecom/isp's a bit (I don't
know exactly what was happening - I didn't have time to traceroute it - to
see if it was still flowing through isp's) - but still it shows the unused
capacity in the system.

What I would like to see happen - is that telecom offer a product similar to
jetstart (costing somthing like $80/month)- with 128K international
bandwidth (I don't know how the limiting mechanisim would work - probably a
very smart router that could limit throughput by ip) - but whatever is
avalible nationally - so 1/2million dsl'ers could send each other files at
1/2meg or 1/8million dsl'ers could send each other files at 2megs or
somthing like that. I mean - whats the point in having all this bandwidth
doing nothing?

Thoughts?

Malcolm

>From: Sascha Beaumont <sascha@squiggle.gen.nz>
>To: adsl@lists.unixathome.org
>Subject: Re: JetStream pricing for national versus international traffic
>Date: 10 Aug 2002 17:36:10 +1200
>
> > So how can we
> > bring pressure to bear on Telecom to correct this glaring anomaly and
> > differentiate between national and international traffic in their
>pricing
> > model for full rate JetStream customers?
>
>We cant. And we wont. Unfortunately.
>
>I dont even know if telecoms network would sustain the load that would
>be put on it by such a change. The other problem when people have such
>low download limits of 1Gb if they hit on a .nz site to download
>something and that .nz site is hosted overseas, they will complain to
>telecom yet it is entirely their fault.
>
>I can't even imagine the skyrockting usage of p2p.net.nz if you could
>have affordable/cheap/'free' full rate transfers around new zealand.
>
>Compared to the other options available for 2Mbit+ connections in NZ
>Jetstream is very reasonably priced. Telstra Clear offer broadband
>connections, 2Mbit (256k up) cable access or Tempest 2Mbit burstable
>connection.(delivered via wireless, dsl, whatever depending on your
>exact needs.) TelstraClear with paradise are the only one of the low
>cost providers that differentiate between national and international
>traffic... and by capping upstream to 256k they limit the possible
>damage to their network by bandwidth hogging users and their peer to
>peer filesharing.
>
>JetStream Home1000 - $89
>Paradise Broadband Max 2mbps - $93 + $17 modem rental = $110
>Tempest1000 - $199 + $50 router rental = $250
>
>There is no incentive for Telecom to change their pricing model. We only
>saw datacaps introduced to the 128k Jetstream Starter connection by ISPs
>after the problems introduced by p2p filesharing.. a gigabyte a day in
>the extreme curcumstances... imagine if that were to become a gigabyte
>an hour because you could get unmetered full rate local data transfers.
>
>Bandwidth in NZ is expensive, Jetstream provides affordable connections
>to home users and business who want to download that 5Mb email
>attachment now, who dont want to wait for that webpage to load. If the
>system is open to abuse, that abuse will happen. Anyone disagree?
>
>Sascha
>

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