hahaha! fair enough. however I don't suppose its too much to ask that the telecom call centre staff be educated on the facts you just pointed out?

flames > /dev/null ;)

Lance

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From: "Wayne Kampjes" <Wayne.Kampjes@telecom.co.nz>
Date: 2002/09/30 Mon PM 11:09:06 GMT+12:00
To: Matthew <gossard@net4u.co.nz>, adsl@lists.unixathome.org
Subject: RE: ADSL + Phone line packages

What a neat discussion! If you weren't all so serious it would be funny. A ADSL connection isn't a phone call! The only things in common with a phone call is really the copper they use. A phone call is charged when the call is terminated (you don't get charged for ringing) and termination is given by the called end going 'off-hook'. With ADSL as someone pointed out you are permanently connected but the far end never goes 'off-hook'. The PSTN switch doesn't know your ADSL connection exists and therefore cannot 'charge' for anything to do with it. I presume everyone will cool down now and take back all those nasty words said about Telecom?
 
Cheers
Wayne

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Matthew [mailto:gossard@net4u.co.nz]
        Sent: Mon 30/09/2002 5:47 p.m.
        To: adsl@lists.unixathome.org
        Cc:
        Subject: Re: ADSL + Phone line packages
        
        

        *sigh* Why does this remind me of dealing with telecom 123 operators and
        managers from the past ?
        
        I was full on told that i would 100% be charged with adsl being treated as
        'phone calls' twice by 2 different telecom operators, then tony tells me,
        and now nathan here confirms that it is incorrect (much as i figured in the
        first place). So i call back and another person tells me he's not sure, so
        puts me through to adsl helpdesk to check with them, oops they shut at 5:00,
        it's 5:31, so i call back and another person changes it over on the spot, i
        ask about the adsl line, and she explains it's only for 'phone' calls, adsl
        isn't charged extra.
        
        And the gods rejoiced, i am switched over no problems. :)
        
        Seems to be a common thing with 123, heck even the managers don't know what
        is going on it seems, if i'd never asked on this list, who else could i
        check with ?, Something seems very wrong when you are always getting
        conflicting information from the source, but i digress and this has almost
        nothing to do with adsl now :)
        
        Thanks everyone for your help, i'll now save ~$15 per month on my telecom
        bill :)
        
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Nathan Mercer" <nmercer@microsoft.com>
        To: <adsl@lists.unixathome.org>
        Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:14 PM
        Subject: RE: ADSL + Phone line packages
        
        
> I use homeline economy, and don't get charged "extra" for my DSL line
> usage.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Ellis [mailto:adsl@stevencherie.net]
> Sent: Monday, 30 September 2002 3:41 p.m.
> To: adsl@lists.unixathome.org
> Subject: Re: ADSL + Phone line packages
>
> Does anyone on this list have "Homeline Economy" and ADSL. I think we
> should
> bring this up in the press if Telecom really do plan on charging you 20c
> for
> the connections for adsl under the Economy plan.
        
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