The rate limiting isnt done by IP Address :)

It's quite possible he will be on orcon's bandwidth, and still have an
uncapped service. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-adsl@unixathome.org [mailto:owner-adsl@unixathome.org] On Behalf
Of Mark Little
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:49 AM
To: David Mill
Cc: adsl@lists.unixathome.org
Subject: RE: ADSL, who pays?

(Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions rah rah, I'm fairly sure I'm
right but dont quote me)

Sortof.

I think the only way you would get charged by being uncapped is if the ISP
you use choose to provide their own bandwidth for fullspeed jetstream
connections, and that is hardly any of them because most of them choose to
use telecoms bandwidth.

All the cases I've come across of people becomming uncapped is because
telecom's radius server stuffs up and the person gets assigned an IP from a
jetstream pool rather than jetstart. As most ISP's use the telecom
bandwidth these IP's are all routed to GlobalGateway rather than the ISP so
all the accounting services that the ISP runs to account for the bandwidth
used by their JetStart customers wont see the data.

If the ISP provides their own bandwidth then I'm not really sure what would
happen but I believe everything you DL would go onto your cap so as long as
you stay under your cap then it wont cost anything, you'll just get
everything really fast.

If you want to find out, when you are uncapped just do a trace out to
yahoo.com or something, most likely you wont even see anything to do with
your ISP and it'll all be globalgateway. If this is the case then your ISP
isnt using any bandwidth of their own, or seeing what you are doing and
therefore cant charge you.

So generally who pays ? Telecom. (woo!)

(If I'm wrong someone please correct me !!)

Cheers,
Mark

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, David Mill wrote:

> It is completely up to Orcon.
>
> However, there is a guaranteed International cap on your service, and
> no guarantee that your service will stay limited at 128 kbit. So its
> your job to make sure you stay under your cap. If you exceed your cap,
> then theoretically you pay.
>
> Also, from your example, if you had tucows.com if your queue, then of
> course eventually you would have downloaded all of tucows anyway (even
> on a capped service), which would have meant moving about 1.6 gig a
> day until it was done. Which would of course put you over your cap.
>
> Of course, only Orcon can answer this question. And in your
> hypothetical question, why the hell don't your just download from
> http://tucows.inspire.net.nz (national b/w) :)
>
> Plus, I remind you, this is not technical in nature, so feel free to
> move across to adsl-chat if this thread continues for a while.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-adsl@unixathome.org [mailto:owner-adsl@unixathome.org] On
> Behalf Of trucido
> Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 8:42 a.m.
> To: adsl@lists.unixathome.org
> Subject: ADSL, who pays?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> If I am on Jetstart through Orcon. And my connection becomes uncapped.
> And I download tucows.com, files and all. Who is responsible for the bill?
>
> Hypothetically, of course.
>
> T.
>
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