That is why I said 'the cases i've come across were the wrong IP
range being assigned' - and if that happens the bandwidth doesnt get near
the ISP.

markadsl 203.118.166.153 23:51 03-Oct 00:10 09-Oct
markadsl 203.118.169.180 22:13 03-Oct 22:45 03-Oct
markadsl 219.88.205.180 00:52 01-Oct 22:13 03-Oct
markadsl 203.118.169.36 02:41 27-Sep 00:50 01-Oct
markadsl 203.118.166.134 11:41 26-Sep 01:54 27-Sep

219.88.205.180 = GG routed IP.

But it does seem apparent (from the other replies) that a lot of the time
its just telecoms ratelimiting which stuffs up. I did think that friends
in the past had been uncapped with jetstart IP's but I didnt know for a
fact so didnt want to say anything.

So to answer Trucido's question - it will probably depend on which bug in
telecoms network causes you to get uncapped as to wether or not your ISP
will see the data you pull down. I do know this though, if you are
uncapped and do a traceroute and it goes out GG then its nothing to do
with your ISP.

Cheers,
Mark

(My personal opinion, blah blah)

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, David Mill wrote:

> Sorry Mark, I think you are quite wrong.
>
> Whether the ADSL user uses Telecoms b/w or the ISPs b/w depends on the realm
> they use, not the capping.
>
> Eg. If a Jetstart user (in my example jetstart.inspire.net.nz is the realm)
> becomes uncapped, their data still goes through the ISP, and affects the ISP
> quite badly. So suddenly the ISP instead of x * 128 kbit... Has x * xxxx
> kbit of traffic going through its system.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@staff.ihug.co.nz]
> Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 11:49 a.m.
> To: David Mill
> Cc: adsl@lists.unixathome.org
> Subject: RE: ADSL, who pays?
>
>
>
> (Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions rah rah, I'm fairly sure I'm
> right but dont quote me)
>
> Sortof.
>
> I think the only way you would get charged by being uncapped is if the ISP
> you use choose to provide their own bandwidth for fullspeed jetstream
> connections, and that is hardly any of them because most of them choose to
> use telecoms bandwidth.
>
> All the cases I've come across of people becomming uncapped is because
> telecom's radius server stuffs up and the person gets assigned an IP from a
> jetstream pool rather than jetstart. As most ISP's use the telecom
> bandwidth these IP's are all routed to GlobalGateway rather than the ISP so
> all the accounting services that the ISP runs to account for the bandwidth
> used by their JetStart customers wont see the data.
>
> If the ISP provides their own bandwidth then I'm not really sure what would
> happen but I believe everything you DL would go onto your cap so as long as
> you stay under your cap then it wont cost anything, you'll just get
> everything really fast.
>
> If you want to find out, when you are uncapped just do a trace out to
> yahoo.com or something, most likely you wont even see anything to do with
> your ISP and it'll all be globalgateway. If this is the case then your ISP
> isnt using any bandwidth of their own, or seeing what you are doing and
> therefore cant charge you.
>
>
> So generally who pays ? Telecom. (woo!)
>
>
> (If I'm wrong someone please correct me !!)
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, David Mill wrote:
>
> > It is completely up to Orcon.
> >
> > However, there is a guaranteed International cap on your service, and
> > no guarantee that your service will stay limited at 128 kbit. So its
> > your job to make sure you stay under your cap. If you exceed your cap,
> > then theoretically you pay.
> >
> > Also, from your example, if you had tucows.com if your queue, then of
> > course eventually you would have downloaded all of tucows anyway (even
> > on a capped service), which would have meant moving about 1.6 gig a
> > day until it was done. Which would of course put you over your cap.
> >
> > Of course, only Orcon can answer this question. And in your
> > hypothetical question, why the hell don't your just download from
> > http://tucows.inspire.net.nz (national b/w) :)
> >
> > Plus, I remind you, this is not technical in nature, so feel free to
> > move across to adsl-chat if this thread continues for a while.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-adsl@unixathome.org [mailto:owner-adsl@unixathome.org] On
> > Behalf Of trucido
> > Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 8:42 a.m.
> > To: adsl@lists.unixathome.org
> > Subject: ADSL, who pays?
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If I am on Jetstart through Orcon. And my connection becomes uncapped.
> > And I download tucows.com, files and all. Who is responsible for the
> > bill?
> >
> > Hypothetically, of course.
> >
> > T.
> >
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