On 31 Jul 2004 at 23:53, Neil Gardner wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-adsl@unixathome.org [mailto:owner-adsl@unixathome.org] On
> Behalf Of matt.riddell@sineapps.com
> >Oh sorry I thought the $2000 or so we paid per month for business
> >adsl and
> download capacity would ensure a
> >network that worked.
>
> You mean you pay $2000/month for ADSL and it's used for a business? Or
> you pay $2000/month for a business connection from whatever ISP and it
> happens to be delivered through an xDSL variant?

ADSL. Xtra, Telecom.

> Frame relay (delivered over 2mbit S.HDSL or HDSL), IP Networking,
> Private Office Networking? SBI?

Would be nice, but currently too extensive.
>
> I could spend $2000/month on ADSL too [1], doesn't mean it's a
> business _GRADE_ connection. Remember, even the 20GB plans Telecom
> sell still come with the written disclaimers that it's unsuitable for
> any sort of hosting, any sort of 2 way video or voice, and unsuitable
> for VPN use. In fact they basically state it's intended for Web
> Browsing, Email and video streaming.

The problem is, that if it keeps being disconnected (1 or 2 times a
month - and no it's not the office, it happens on all the connections
down here) then it's not really too usefull for anything important.
It sucks that our only option is to wait for Telstra to finish laying
it's fiber to our office. Be assured that we will move to their
plans when available.

My gripe was with the fact that telecom can disconnect you whenever
it wants and there's nothing you can do about it. If I bought a car
and it was disabled twice a month I would take it back. If I had a
telephone line that wouldn't accept calls for two-three hours a
month, telecom would fix it.

And if I have a problem with ADSL? Oh you'd better wait for
bitstream and hope that someone else can do it better? Oh wait,
telecom will probably still handle the networks, and when you call
your ISP to say there is a problem, they'll probably still be able to
blame telecom and wipe their hands of it.

If there was another network (yes telstra will be setup at this
office soon) then I'd be able to failover to another company, but as
it stands, even if I got a connection from all available ISP's down
here, they'd probably go down with telecom.

Ah well, such is life.

I guess $2000 is still considered cheap, in which case I guess it's
also fast, in which case I guess that chucks reliabilty out.

Oh and you want to do VOIP? Ha! I don't think so, that might compete
with the Monopoly...tsk tsk...

Matt

P.S. My business is based around VOIP and I do it sucessfully most of
the time...even though the minimum ping you can get here in dunedin
(even between dunedin servers) is 90ms-110ms

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