Yup fully agree.. a mellow perspective is always needed.

In regards to the multiple vpn tunnels - I had this problem and someone
on the list helped me - in fact pointed me to a technical person I could
call. (maybe a bit of sales orientated stuff there but all good!!)

I needed confirmation of the model I was to buy could handle it's
application in the environment it needed to work in - not many people
have a need to have multiple users connect to a single VPN server from
the same adsl device(unless your a cheapie) - the m1122 and older dsl
routers could surprisingly.. mass market thing I guess.

It had to do with functionality needed to be built in to allow the
handling of the GRE protocol correctly.. MOST dsl routers will say they
handle multiple connections - a bit of a misnomer because they refer to
different vpn servers - not multiple connects to a single server..

BTW the USR robotics 9105 handles this with the latest firmware update -
available from uk usr robotics site - also supports ADSL 2 if you're
really keen..

An interesting technical point - alot of home users have come to me with
a general query - I just got DSL installed and it works for a while then
stops..

Further investigation it appears that the Xtra DSL pack they bought had
a Dlink modem in it - with Ethernet and USB capabilities. Yet the tech
installed using USB! I have converted so many people to Ethernet when
they have been originally installed using USB - Generally USB is pretty
reliable - but how many times have you experienced USB issues in
comparison to Ethernet?

Using the Ethernet connection also future proofs these home users - esp.
if they want to reinstall their PC or shift to another without any
install needed - not to mentioning adding a switch and tellings them how
to do it..

Mind you - the funniest thing that happens with alot of people buying
the packs is that their PC goes really slow after install.. hmmm...
further investigation reveals Spy ware / Vii and other little critters
that just love the added speed boost..

Hmm maybe Spybot and Adaware should be included?

Cheers
Iain.

Neil Gardner wrote:

>Chuckle - I think that DSL504 question was one of mine :-) And I never did
>solve it either.
>
>Yeah, I think one of the major reasons is that this list was instituted back
>when ADSL was a bit of black magic, there were maybe 2-3 ADSL Routers on the
>market and no-one really knew much about it. Now we have retail packs that
>basically anyone can bring home, plug in and go - by following just a few
>simple instructions. Some suppliers even have NZ presets for their routers
>so people don't even need to be aware of VPI/VCI etc.
>
>This is all a good thing though.
>
>We now have a situation though where the political, ISP operational and
>marketing issues of ADSL in NZ are FAR more salient to most 'power users'
>than any technical issues. People being people still feel the need to whine
>about these from time to time (and I'm no exception) and this is a fairly
>decent place in which to do so.
>
>I think given the general lack of any real ADSL technical issues that the
>use of the list for other discussions isn't the end of the world that some
>people obviously think it is. Why can't they just be happy that there aren't
>any technical issues to talk about anymore (Generalisation - but you get my
>point)
>
>Cheers - Neil G
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-adsl@unixathome.org [mailto:owner-adsl@unixathome.org] On Behalf
>Of Iain Johnston
>Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2004 12:44 a.m.
>To: adsl@lists.unixathome.org
>Subject: Re: adsl-digest V1 #1372
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>This list is all good - but have wondered about the lack of technical
>queries.. as in the old days. used to learn lots.. but I know I can still
>rely on an answer from here.
>
>questions like..
>
>i.e. Having trouble getting multiple VPN tunnels to work with my DSL504G
>- (go buy a decent router ahem).. It's all about GRE..
>
>Sort of stopped reading the digest because there ain't much more than what's
>on the net news!
>
>well.. apart from personal drival like this post.
>
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