At 04:25 PM 4/14/2005 +1200, Matt Brown wrote:
>On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 16:07 +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote:
>
> > > And dont even start on deregulation and LLU, it is a myth that few
> > > realyl understand the implications of.
> >
> > All we need is FTTP and then we can forget about LLU and telco crapola.
>
>Umm, correct me if I'm wrong here, but the most likely people to roll
>out FTTP are the Telco's... So far the only one that's shown any
>interest in FTTP whatsoever is Telecom.

*wrong* - Citylink have FTTP as does Vector, InspireNet, someone in
Invercargill, Network Tasman, Wired Country and TelstraClear. The sleeping
giants are the power Lines companies. They have hugely deep pockets, own
the poles, have an engineering background (well they used to ) and are
interested in growing local communities. They just a little conservative
and need a help getting going.

They also keep hiring "telco" engineers to design next generation (ie
IP/ethernet) networks, when telco engineers often have limited experience
with these. Hence the pricing models they use and overly complex networks.

>So how does changing the copper to fibre magically solve the problem?

Well with fiber the delivery model starts at 100mbps, altho some of the
gear I see makes a sweet spot at 1Gbps a no brainer. Anything at these bit
rates makes "new service" delivery trivial. P2p, video, voice, Internet is
all easy, especially if they have more liberal views on bandwidth charging.
As well as the new service/product model, just the simple effort of
installing the fiber has a pay back in the ecomony of 7 to 1 (Int figure
not mine). This is because theres loads of young guys who want a job
putting in cable, learning installer skills. They get paid and spend it in
the local market. That spend helps businesses that also spend their new
income - hence the multiplier.
If you saw the number of new businesses that started in Wn when Saturn did
their major build you'd understand. Saturn spent $450mill the first time
(they did it twice - they forgot phones first time round).

Even now in Wn people save $ per month on their phone bills - Thats $84
each per annum across 100,000 homes. Thats $8.4Mill - that gets spent in
the local economy. - with a 7:1 multiplier. If your local Council doesn't
want that in their area - vote them out. Wn has been having that saving for
the past 6 years.

LLU isn't the issue, new, better networks are.

rich

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