Ok this is a goodie... Let me take time to answer this fully.

On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 18:16 +1300, Keith & Deby wrote:
> Have been watching this for a while, somewhere back a mention was made re
> part of the problem was the speed and hosting of some sort, plus dynamic
> ips...

> unless one is hosting a high usage site, 128kb is fine...

Agreed... IF you are not doing any downloading internally. I generally
have at least 2 ssh tunnels open to university, piping imap connections
and sometimes a VNC or X session. This chews easily through a couple of
hundred meg a day.

> a php nuke site, main page about 60k about 300 members, 2000 odd posts, page
> hits between 35,000 to 55,000 a month, chews thru 1500 to 2000 meg a month
> up and 200 to 300 meg down, a few downloadable documents, Pic gallery, fully
> SOEed , top 5 of most search engines, crawled every day by Google, yahoo,
> and 1/2 doz others. Site published for over 12 months, even handles extra
> hits when Max Newman decides its worth while, a smtp server, running on
> no-ip.
I have 2 Postnuke sites including all the crap, on this site. Both are
not large sites. I also have a wordpress and pm wiki site + a few static
pages. All of which are top hits in google. The sites don't do much
traffic. BUT I can tell you, the LINK IS CRAP, with just 1 connection
there is MASSIVE slowdown. Don't take my word... try it...

I don't care about traffic from my webserv... I do care about
throughput. We are handing out pamphlets to 1000's of students in a
couple of hours or doing signups. 128kps... JOKE! Even with pf crafting
(which beleive you me I do on incoming traf as well) 192 was bellow par.

> Plus a private photo gallery site. plus on line gaming, general surfing of 6
> machines, few driver downloads. Bit of remote Admin on some small
> office/school servers. Then a private ftp server in case I need some if Im
> out...like a gaming squad get together for a weekend in Aussie, and need the
> squads custom maps when hiring out a full gaming cafe..This also has a/cs
> for my wife, daughter (student) ma-in-law, ( a teacher)

I don't game... AT ALL. I do run LINUX, I DO installs and backups for
people. All this chews through bandwidth. Gentoo portage mirrors even
when I cache them so the 2 machines internally running gentoo don't need
to download so much still easily do a couple of gigs a month.

Add this to 3 or ISO downloads of the latest
Ubuntu/Suse/Mandrake/OpenBSD or what have you... This is easily my
biggest chunk of usage. Most of which as I've pointed out is National
Traffic.

> Oh forgot throw a game server in every so often at periods the web server
> doesn't get busy and /or limit the up/ down bw usage on the web server to
> stop game lag.
> With a bit of extra organising, bw limiting, thought, runs well
I have Squid pooling setup, but this only help so much and is more for incoming, so that the 4 people on the network
dont saturate with large http downloads.
> We DON'T abuse and download huge amounts of legal music, warez, movies, run
> kazza progs etc..well none actually. So I chew up 4.5 to 6 gig a month, tops
> 7,8 gig.
Honestly we do an additional 2-5 gb per month of bittorrent and or p2p
traffic. Normally this is ... guess what... DVD Iso images of distros...
yes you can use P2P for legal purposes! Who would have thought... i've
actually watched a few fan made movies aswell (purepwnage is funny if
your a geek.)

I can't vouch for my flatmates but their use age of p2p is very limited
and they are well warned that I will block stuff if I find our usage
topping out for the month after a week.

Most of the additional use is from flatmates watching streams and from
VOIP. 2 are internationals and this is understandable.

> If someone wants to run high scale servers then get a proper host...or cut
> the warez downloading. 12 gig a month..on what? well on what that is legit?
> Student? documents? 12gig? DOESN'T ADD UP . If its not legit..a person has
> no right to complain. I have a daughter who is a student, flatting, I know
> very well the situation of a Student flat, the use the bw is put
> to.......and the DVD burners.

> Don't get me wrong NZ 'BB' IS a joke, inferior and expensive on world stds,
> why? Simple a company's Directors are responsible to the share holders
> making the highest possible return...that's the way business works, so the
> Telecom directors are doing a good job, they are screwing this country for
> every penny they can , while they can.
>
> This is a bit off subject, but these 'side' issues seem to creep in
> somewhere in every thread.

Yah, but your justified not understanding why it's important to people
who are using it legitimately... But believe me... you can use 12gb
"legitimately"

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